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	<title>Comments on: Communities urged to &#8216;adopt&#8217; a whale; warning on &#8217;scientific&#8217; whaling</title>
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		<title>By: david</title>
		<link>http://www.ballina.info/blog/2007/05/09/communities-urged-to-adopt-a-whale-as-scu-warns-on-scientific-whaling/#comment-30967</link>
		<dc:creator>david</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2007 01:48:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barry,

Perhaps that majority of Australians then is unaware that the idea behind whaling is not to drive whales to extinction, but to harvest a certain number of them at such a rate that the long term conservation of the whale population being targeted is assured, while at the same time providing a source of animal protein for human consumption. Much in the same way as Australian fishermen target fish, and then export these product to overseas markets.

If more Australians were aware of the wonderful recovery of the humpback whales around Australia (a rate which even Australian scientists have estimated to be an annual 10%), more Australians would probably also feel comfortable with the general notion that killing some small number of whales (much less than the annual 10% increase that they appear to be capable of - say just 1%) would be unlikely to drive them to extinction.

Recently Australian argumentation at the political level has increasingly been referring to "our whales", so I had the impression that the debate had moved past the one about extinction risk, and on to one of who has the right to benefit from their exploitation. It's understandable that, if a whale population were only at say 80% of it's natural limit (due to sustained hunting), whale watching operators may be at a disadvantage compared to if the population was at 100% of it's natural limit. 

I thought Australia might like to look at this argument in their negotiations with the Japanese over the southern hemisphere humpback populations that they are planning to hunt from next summer. After all, in Japan there are both whale watching and whale hunting operations. While Australia may today wish to pursue only one of these activities, it seems unfair to try to impose those values on people on the other side of the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barry,</p>
<p>Perhaps that majority of Australians then is unaware that the idea behind whaling is not to drive whales to extinction, but to harvest a certain number of them at such a rate that the long term conservation of the whale population being targeted is assured, while at the same time providing a source of animal protein for human consumption. Much in the same way as Australian fishermen target fish, and then export these product to overseas markets.</p>
<p>If more Australians were aware of the wonderful recovery of the humpback whales around Australia (a rate which even Australian scientists have estimated to be an annual 10%), more Australians would probably also feel comfortable with the general notion that killing some small number of whales (much less than the annual 10% increase that they appear to be capable of - say just 1%) would be unlikely to drive them to extinction.</p>
<p>Recently Australian argumentation at the political level has increasingly been referring to &#8220;our whales&#8221;, so I had the impression that the debate had moved past the one about extinction risk, and on to one of who has the right to benefit from their exploitation. It&#8217;s understandable that, if a whale population were only at say 80% of it&#8217;s natural limit (due to sustained hunting), whale watching operators may be at a disadvantage compared to if the population was at 100% of it&#8217;s natural limit. </p>
<p>I thought Australia might like to look at this argument in their negotiations with the Japanese over the southern hemisphere humpback populations that they are planning to hunt from next summer. After all, in Japan there are both whale watching and whale hunting operations. While Australia may today wish to pursue only one of these activities, it seems unfair to try to impose those values on people on the other side of the world.</p>
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		<title>By: barry</title>
		<link>http://www.ballina.info/blog/2007/05/09/communities-urged-to-adopt-a-whale-as-scu-warns-on-scientific-whaling/#comment-30954</link>
		<dc:creator>barry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2007 00:05:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David, you seem to have misunderstood the sentiment of those Australians opposed to commercial whaling.
I think you'll find that with most Australians, it's not a matter of saving 'our' whales and not worrying about 'their' whales -- it's a matter of not wanting to see them become extinct. So you could assume that the majority of Australians opposed to whaling in Australian waters would also oppose whales being killed in foreign waters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, you seem to have misunderstood the sentiment of those Australians opposed to commercial whaling.<br />
I think you&#8217;ll find that with most Australians, it&#8217;s not a matter of saving &#8216;our&#8217; whales and not worrying about &#8216;their&#8217; whales &#8212; it&#8217;s a matter of not wanting to see them become extinct. So you could assume that the majority of Australians opposed to whaling in Australian waters would also oppose whales being killed in foreign waters.</p>
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		<title>By: david</title>
		<link>http://www.ballina.info/blog/2007/05/09/communities-urged-to-adopt-a-whale-as-scu-warns-on-scientific-whaling/#comment-30822</link>
		<dc:creator>david</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2007 04:51:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Barry,

I am wondering why it is that the federal government has failed to attempt to compromise with the Japanese over their whaling activity.

At least, the whales in Japan's coastal waters are of no interest to Australians. Why does the Australian government not seek to compromise with the Japanese, for example by offering to support Japanese moves for hunting in the North Pacific if the Japanese give an assurance that they will give up their hopes of exploiting southern hemisphere humpbacks?

If it seems like a good idea, someone may like to contact Malcolm Turnbull about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Barry,</p>
<p>I am wondering why it is that the federal government has failed to attempt to compromise with the Japanese over their whaling activity.</p>
<p>At least, the whales in Japan&#8217;s coastal waters are of no interest to Australians. Why does the Australian government not seek to compromise with the Japanese, for example by offering to support Japanese moves for hunting in the North Pacific if the Japanese give an assurance that they will give up their hopes of exploiting southern hemisphere humpbacks?</p>
<p>If it seems like a good idea, someone may like to contact Malcolm Turnbull about it.</p>
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		<title>By: barry</title>
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		<dc:creator>barry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 05:29:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For those of you new to Ballina, or if you're visiting, the best spots to view whales as they head north are the carpark at Lighthouse headland, North Wall or Black Head.
The carpark offers a better view than North Wall because of its elevation.
Black Head also offers great viewing because of its elevation, but it's a bit of a hike up a bush track. However, the view is well worth the walk.
Further north at Lennox Head, Pat Morton Lookout at the headland also offers an elevated view.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those of you new to Ballina, or if you&#8217;re visiting, the best spots to view whales as they head north are the carpark at Lighthouse headland, North Wall or Black Head.<br />
The carpark offers a better view than North Wall because of its elevation.<br />
Black Head also offers great viewing because of its elevation, but it&#8217;s a bit of a hike up a bush track. However, the view is well worth the walk.<br />
Further north at Lennox Head, Pat Morton Lookout at the headland also offers an elevated view.</p>
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